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Started by Michael Sarver at 08-09-2005 3:18 PM. Topic has 14 replies.

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  08-09-2005, 3:18 PM
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I was listening to Michaelangelo Signorile today and one of the ongoing debates is over "Gay Marriage".

While I don't think there should be a Federally backed "Marriage" for same-sex couples (Marriage being a matter of religion), there needs to be Federal acknowledgement of a couple's right to share property and earned benefits. Two people who put money into a home should be able to decide the fate of that property no matter who's signature comes first on the documentation.

As far as marriage goes, that is a matter for churches to decide for themselves, and if you can't adhere to your faith's policies... You need a new faith. 
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  08-10-2005, 11:18 PM
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Gay Marriage is wrong heres why the definition of Marriage = the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a legal, consensual, and contractual relationship recognized and sanctioned by and dissolvable only by law

notice the part where it say opposite sex  therefore 2 men or 2 women cant be married

gay rights the Goverment should stay out this this also

IMO i dont care what you do in your home its yours do what you want  if you want to fuck your buddy up his ass go right ahead but dont ask for special rights

and Marriage has nothing to do with religion you do not need to be relious to be married.  go to Vegas and Elvis will marry you

Two people who put money into a home should be able to decide the fate of that property no matter who's signature comes first on the documentation.

I dont dissagree with that  but i dont want any State or Federal legislation about it.   i say we need the Gov to stop spending time/money on Bullshit like that and get SS in order. do useful things like get health care for everyone, make more jobs, fix highways, lower gas prices you know important things.     


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  08-11-2005, 12:21 AM
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I'd like the government to stay out too, but as it stands, the state can jump in the moment one partner dies and lay claim to the property. And what about any children they might be raising together? What's to keep a disagreeable family member from stepping in?

It's not like I believe in crap like "hate crimes".
All crimes are committed out of hate or desperation. No one group should be treated as more special than any other. That being said, the definition of a union between a couple should change. That definition itself is different in varying states.

So no... I'm not talking about special protection... only equal protection as prescribed by The Constitution of The United States of America and needed by an entire group of people being treated as second class citizens.

The only reason it doesn't seem important to you is because you are afforded that protection being born "straight". I've never known one gay person who woke up one day and "decided" that they were going to torture themselves by choosing a "lifestyle" that is still so violently opposed by a group of narrow-minded bigots. I could name names and post links to numerous Myspace accounts but it would be pointless... They would all tell the same tale of just knowing that they were different.

Yeah I think that those other things you mentioned should be fixed as well... But why not bring the entire GayBLT community up too speed with the rest of us first so we can ALL focus on these things together?

Because they aren't going to help us fight for Health Care and fair fuel prices until they get the BASIC rights we have first, and there is strength in numbers.
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  08-11-2005, 9:42 AM
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the state can jump in the moment one partner dies and lay claim to the property

im not going to pretend i know about housingand gay people

but that sounds like BS to me if a Corp owns a House and the CEO dies the state doesnt own the rest of the corp owns i believe its probably the same for 2 people

whoevers name is on the Deed owns the house

whoevers name is the Benifiecary(sp?) gets the Life insureance  ect....    

 

BTW i really dont belive that BS about being born Gay.   my cousin decided to be Gay. then she decides to not be gay, then gay again then not gay, shes confused,  her mother works in a gay bar and also dissagres with that, a very good friend of mine in Wisconsin is Gay he also had to chose it,  he decided to be gay because he wanted eveything in his life to be against God and wanted Evil around him that was his choice that and his uncle molested him. thats what he told me when i asked him about it. and he really dissagrees with Gay Rights  he told me that he thinks its just a bunch of people who want to GOV to say its ok to be gay  

people who are teased alot or molested by the same sex when they are very young tend to think they were born different.  but you cant be born gay simple because at birth you have no idea that homosexuality exists. your thoughts form with time. later on in life you here about that couple thats different and decide that you are like them.   if enough people tell you something about your self you will tend to believe them. or you just fell like rebeling against the Norm     thats just my opinion   

for a minute lets say im wrong.   how do you account for Bi Sexuals were they born that way or are they just perverts will to do anything


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  08-11-2005, 11:35 AM
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It's all about "identification".

I'm sure there are a lot of people who are confused. It's an unfortunate consequence of being human. Some behavior is natural and other behavior is learned.

Not even being human has much to do with it.
Look at the gay penguins at this zoo. They tried to hatch rocks and so the keepers gave them the neglected eggs of hetero-penguins. It worked.

Once again... There is NOTHING special about "acceptable human behavior"...
PERIOD.

I could chose (out of desperation) to bang a particularly cute transvestite sometime... But that doesn't mean I'm attracted to male-ness.

Most people who are confused are still struggling with identity and personality because they have so many conflicting views and opinions. They don't realize that not only can you have two conflicting opinions and not have to chose one or the other to be "right", but that "identification" itself is not important.

People don't like to be labeled by other people and yet they will tattoo what they stand for on their chests.

Anyway... What happens to a couple's property really depends on the state. I'm not the best Gay Rights advocate out there so I can't post a list of examples off the top of my head. And also... That crap about incorporating vs marriage is ridiculous. It's costly and doesn't have the same meaning as a ceremony where to people vow to love each other.

And before I hear any crap about the "sanctity" of marriage... Tell that to all the heteros with at least three marriages under their belts.|


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  08-11-2005, 5:11 PM
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  08-11-2005, 5:34 PM
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Reefer.. take it to the flaming forums or I'll have to send it there.Devil [6]
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  08-11-2005, 7:43 PM
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You know, most of the time you'd  be right.  But the fact that you can read that tripe and not be sick to your stomach is nearly as bad.

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  08-11-2005, 7:48 PM
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 Michael Sarver wrote:
Reefer.. take it to the flaming forums or I'll have to send it there.Devil [6]


I thought we weren't taking things so personally here.  Especially on someones behalf.

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  08-11-2005, 9:16 PM
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Yeah... But If I wanted to call you a "weenie face" and let it roll on from there, I'd take it to the flaming forum... That is, IF I didn't know where you live and COULDN'T rub your butt in your sleep.
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  08-12-2005, 8:06 AM
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You don't know where I live, and you'd get a snoot full of shot in der facen, before you set foot one up my steps. 

But I digress, "flaming" is generally left to simpletons bereft of the joy of intellegence.   Usually consisting of, "go fuck yourself, fuck you, fuck this and fuck that," without any style or class.  My comment was extraordinarily tasteful considering the shite scrawled across the blog.  The fact that you have more to say about an angry comment, than the skyte you're reading is a bit disconcerting.

So, I'll hold my poison keyboard-for now, what say you on the aforementioned topic, responded to so eloquently by the in-house dullard.

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  08-12-2005, 9:41 AM
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Duh... Umm... I like toast?
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  08-12-2005, 10:03 AM
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Well, we ARE still ESTABLISHING the rules here, if there be any...

My thought was that any personal attack in general would go there but I do see your point.
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Hey I found one of those myspace accounts right here.

I think sexual orientation is a matter of choice but think that if gay people want to subject themselves to the punishment blessings of marriage then so be it.

If marriage specifically means a union between man and women then what is the word for a union between same sex parties?  I mean marriage is really just a word.


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 Michael Sarver wrote:
I was listening to Michaelangelo Signorile today and one of the ongoing debates is over "Gay Marriage".

While I don't think there should be a Federally backed "Marriage" for same-sex couples (Marriage being a matter of religion), there needs to be Federal acknowledgement of a couple's right to share property and earned benefits. Two people who put money into a home should be able to decide the fate of that property no matter who's signature comes first on the documentation.

As far as marriage goes, that is a matter for churches to decide for themselves, and if you can't adhere to your faith's policies... You need a new faith. 


I agree with you. Sort of. I'm still conflicted about it.

Our government is secular. Because of that, they really should have no hand in marriages (whose origins lie in religion). Any type of couple does have the ability to share property and earned benefits, though. Or so I thought. Aren't they called domestic partnerships? Yes, I think they are.

But this is where I get sorta iffy. I said earlier that the government should have no hand in marriages because they have a religious origin. That is obviously not the case any more, though. Strictly and legally speaking, marriages are contracts. Indeed, it is as simple and plain as that. A civil contract. I would even consider it a business contract. It is a civil, business contract. Like all contracts, the contract we call "marriage" has provisions. One of these many provisions is that only a pair of people of the opposite gender may enter the contract. I do not think this is discriminatory because homosexuals may enter the contract of marriage--they may even enter it with another homosexual if they so choose, but just as long as the other homosexual is of the opposite gender.

I think it is silly that people are clamoring about how identical contracts between a homosexual and heterosexual couple have different names. Just because they are called different things doesn't make one or the other less of a contract. For example, there are two different types of marriage licenses for which a hetero couple can apply--a normal marriage license and a confidential marriage license. The difference in the provisions is that in the confidential marriage license the man and woman entering the contract must already have been living together as husband and wife. Get my point?

My neck hurts. I am going to go brood and finish my thoughts later.


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